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Zimbra Desktop hands-on: Yahoo’s Outlook alternative

Tuesday, May 5th, 2009
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If you could collect your Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo mail, and corporate messages into a single in-box, would you switch? The convenience of a universal e-mail in-box is what gives Yahoo’s offline, open-source, cross-platform Zimbra Desktop its appeal (Windows | Mac). Then there are the other tools to tag and search messages that elevate the Webmail experience beyond what your POP and IMAP services may offer on their own. However, for many, Zimbra’s ambitions, abilities, and the sticky tangle of its distribution will keep it an interesting experiment, but not yet a standalone replacement.

While Zimbra Desktop is available to anyone as a free download, the Zimbra team really had its existing users in mind as the chief beneficiaries of this release. The majority of Zimbra’s 43 million paid customers come through businesses that are especially drawn to its collaboration tools (like sharing entire address books, documents, and in-boxes) and which typically use Zimbra’s backend server in place of the Microsoft Exchange Server. Zimbra’s online in-box, and now its offline desktop app, take on the role of the Outlook in-box. As with Outlook, the organization will assign the e-mail address. However, it also has an open-source following of people who run the server and desktop app to get these sharing capabilities for free.

Zimbra in-box

Zimbra has some useful features even if you don't have a supported account.

(Credit: CNET)

The benefits of the Zimbra Desktop for these pre-existing users is significant. They can import third-party e-mail and supported third-party calendars in discrete in-boxes and view expanded and contracted in-boxes in the familiar left-hand organization pane. For each account, including third-party Web mail, they can tag messages, search through e-mail, contacts, and calendar appointments, and view conversations that are organized together not so unlike Gmail’s threading.

Zimbra account-holders can additionally create wiki documents within Zimbra Desktop and share them with other Zimbra users. They can upload files into a local briefcase (this is separate from Yahoo’s now-defunct Briefcase service,) and as mentioned above, can right-click e-mail in-boxes, contacts lists, and other content to export to another Zimbra user’s Zimbra in-box within the organization. These advanced sharing services are the e-mailing ideal, but not available to those of us who aren’t on Zimbra’s server (more on this below).

And if you don’t have Zimbra-supported e-mail?

There’s still some use in downloading Zimbra Desktop to help manage your third-party e-mail accounts, but complications and qualifications abound. You should be able to add any e-mail account that supports POP and IMAP standards, plus Yahoo e-mail, contacts, and calendar, and the same from Gmail. If your IT admins make your Outlook Exchange Server settings available to you, you’ll be able to get your business e-mail as well.

Zimbra desktop conversation organizer

Expandable subject groupings aren't exactly threaded like Gmail, but they similarly organize.

(Credit: CNET)

These third-party services are branded with a beta marker, a wise warning, since some work with a caveat. Hotmail, for example, will integrate with Zimbra Desktop so long as you have a paid Hotmail Plus account, or have been grandfathered in from the Outlook Express days. When you sign up in Zimbra, this is noted by the collapsed link “must allow client access.” Likewise, the bumpy support for Gmail doesn’t yet convert Gmail labels into Zimbra tags, and Zimbra Desktop 1.0 merges Gmail address book contacts in a way that only surfaces those contacts you’ve added by hand, not the contacts captured through day-to-day e-mailing. Zimbra says they’re working on a fix, which should be released in a few weeks.

Once you’ve got your in-boxes migrated over, you’ll be able to take advantage of searching through mail messages and adding tags, even if your third-party client doesn’t support those features by default. Zimbra’s ability to group conversations in any mail service is another benefit. Unlike Gmail’s service, it won’t thread conversations within a single in-box entry, but it will signify with an arrow tip in the margin when there’s more than one message with the same subject line.

You’ll still be able to create documents in Zimbra if you’re using it to sort third-party accounts, but at this point they must route through the Zimbra server in order to share the link. In the future, these documents will send as external attachments, perhaps as soon as June.

Performance and accessibility

Since we didn’t have access to a Zimbra-supported account, and therefore to its more advanced collaboration features, the program’s overall performance is harder to gauge. Difficulties in setting up our unsupported Hotmail in-box and Zimbra’s inability to import 90 percent of our Google contacts makes us hesitant to recommend it as anything more than a companion product for non-Zimbra users. At over 40MB for Windows and Mac editions, it was also slow to install and load. However, if you’ve got lots of space, the calendar importing, conversation view, and search fields are nice bonuses, as is the convenience of viewing multiple Web mail in-boxes in a single program interface.

While Zimbra’s stated demographic with the Zimbra Desktop are its registered users, it doesn’t help its cause that it takes effort to sign up for a Zimbra account. Most consumers find Zimbra through an organization that uses it; others may go through an Internet Service Provider or hosted partner that might sell subscriptions to Zimbra-powered features under the company’s own name. A open source subset may run the open source Zimbra Collaboration Suite on their networks, but for folks without a finger on the pulse of the open source community, finding one of these to plug into could take more motivation than its worth.

Zimbra Desktop certainly has some budding in-box concepts we’d like to see ripen, but until Yahoo’s Zimbra team can smooth out the grafting challenges with Gmail and other third-party services, those without Zimbra accounts who are feeling less experimental ought to stick to Thunderbird (Windows|Mac) as an Outlook alternative.

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Hands on Zimbra Desktop, Yahoo’s Outlook sub

Tuesday, May 5th, 2009
Zimbra logo

If you could collect your Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, and corporate messages into a single in-box, would you switch?

The convenience of a universal e-mail in-box is what gives Yahoo’s offline, open-source, cross-platform Zimbra Desktop its appeal (Windows | Mac).

Then there are the other tools to tag and search messages that elevate the Web mail experience beyond what your POP and IMAP services may offer on their own. However, for many, Zimbra’s ambitions, abilities, and the sticky tangle of its distribution will keep it an interesting experiment, but not yet a standalone replacement.

While Zimbra Desktop is available to anyone as a free download, the Zimbra team really had its existing users in mind as the chief beneficiaries of this release. The majority of Zimbra’s 43 million paid customers come through businesses that are especially drawn to its collaboration tools (like sharing entire address books, documents, and in-boxes) and which typically use Zimbra’s back-end server in place of the Microsoft Exchange Server.

Zimbra’s online in-box, and now its offline desktop app, take on the role of the Outlook in-box. As with Outlook, the organization will assign the e-mail address. However, it also has an open-source following of people who run the server and desktop app to get these sharing capabilities for free.

Zimbra in-box

Zimbra has some useful features even if you don't have a supported account.

(Credit: CNET)

The benefits of the Zimbra Desktop for these pre-existing users is significant. They can import third-party e-mail and supported third-party calendars in discrete in-boxes, and view expanded and contracted in-boxes in the familiar left-hand organization pane. For each account, including third-party Web mail, they can tag messages, search through e-mail, contacts, and calendar appointments, and view conversations that are organized together not so unlike Gmail’s threading.

Zimbra account holders can additionally create wiki documents within Zimbra Desktop and share them with other Zimbra users. They can upload files into a local briefcase (this is separate from Yahoo’s now-defunct Briefcase service,) and as mentioned above, can right-click e-mail in-boxes, contacts lists, and other content to export to another Zimbra user’s Zimbra in-box within the organization.

These advanced sharing services are the e-mailing ideal, but not available to those of us who aren’t on Zimbra’s server (more on this below).

And if you don’t have Zimbra-supported e-mail?
There’s still some use in downloading Zimbra Desktop to help manage your third-party e-mail accounts, but complications and qualifications abound. You should be able to add any e-mail account that supports POP and IMAP standards, plus Yahoo e-mail, contacts, and calendar, and the same from Gmail. If your IT admins make your Outlook Exchange Server settings available to you, you’ll be able to get your business e-mail as well.

Zimbra desktop conversation organizer

Expandable subject groupings aren't exactly threaded like Gmail, but they similarly organize.

(Credit: CNET)

These third-party services are branded with a beta marker, a wise warning, since some work with a caveat. Hotmail, for example, will integrate with Zimbra Desktop, so long as you have a paid Hotmail Plus account, or have been grandfathered in from the Outlook Express days.

When you sign up in Zimbra, this is noted by the collapsed link “must allow client access.” Likewise, the bumpy support for Gmail doesn’t yet convert Gmail labels into Zimbra tags, and Zimbra Desktop 1.0 merges Gmail address book contacts in a way that only surfaces those contacts you’ve added by hand, not the contacts captured through day-to-day e-mailing. Zimbra says they’re working on a fix, which should be released in a few weeks.

Once you’ve got your in-boxes migrated over, you’ll be able to take advantage of searching through mail messages and adding tags, even if your third-party client doesn’t support those features by default. Zimbra’s ability to group conversations in any mail service is another benefit. Unlike Gmail’s service, it won’t thread conversations within a single in-box entry, but it will signify with an arrow tip in the margin when there’s more than one message with the same subject line.

You’ll still be able to create documents in Zimbra if you’re using it to sort third-party accounts, but at this point they must route through the Zimbra server in order to share the link. In the future, these documents will send as external attachments, perhaps as soon as June.

Performance and accessibility
Since we didn’t have access to a Zimbra-supported account, and therefore to its more advanced collaboration features, the program’s overall performance is harder to gauge. Difficulties in setting up our unsupported Hotmail in-box and Zimbra’s inability to import 90 percent of our Google contacts makes us hesitant to recommend it as anything more than a companion product for non-Zimbra users.

At more than 40MB for Windows and Mac editions, it was also slow to install and load. However, if you’ve got lots of space, the calendar importing, conversation view, and search fields are nice bonuses, as is the convenience of viewing multiple Web mail in-boxes in a single program interface.

While Zimbra’s stated demographic with the Zimbra Desktop are its registered users, it doesn’t help its cause that it takes effort to sign up for a Zimbra account. Most consumers find Zimbra through an organization that uses it; others may go through an Internet Service Provider or hosted partner that might sell subscriptions to Zimbra-powered features under the company’s own name.

An open-source subset may run the open-source Zimbra Collaboration Suite on their networks, but for folks without a finger on the pulse of the open-source community, finding one of these to plug into could take more motivation than its worth.

Zimbra Desktop certainly has some budding in-box concepts we’d like to see ripen, but until Yahoo’s Zimbra team can smooth out the grafting challenges with Gmail and other third-party services, those without Zimbra accounts who are feeling less experimental ought to stick to Thunderbird (Windows|Mac) as an Outlook alternative.

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Yahoo’s Zimbra Desktop 1.0 released

Tuesday, April 28th, 2009

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Updated at 12:04 pm with more details.

We’ve been keeping our eye on Zimbra Desktop, the e-mail client that Yahoo acquired in 2007 and held onto for about a year before development work picked up again in earnest. Now, more than a year later, Zimbra Desktop 1.0 has shaken off its beta and is available as a free download for Windows and Mac.

Zimbra differentiates itself from Mozilla’s Thunderbird e-mail client (Windows|Mac) and from Gmail in its amphibian nature as both an online and offline in-box. It also sees itself as a central in-box for all your e-mail, contacts, and calendar information. As such, you’re able to access Yahoo and Gmail contacts, calendars, and messages in Zimbra, plus POP or IMAP e-mail from AOL, Hotmail, or your office. At least, that’s in theory. According to Zimbra’s Web site, syncing to some of the third-party e-mail and calendar services within Zimbra Desktop appear to remain beta features.

Unlimited storage and support for 20 languages rounds out the feature overview.

A slew of bug fixes and back-end tune-ups update the most recent beta version of Zimbra to its 1.0 release, a representative from Zimbra told CNET. Plus, there is now greater diversity in sharing Zimbra documents, and full support for Yahoo and Google contacts and calendars, in addition to Web mail.

While Zimbra Desktop 1.0 is free for personal use, Zimbra has been making Yahoo money through Zimbra Collaboration Suite, a hosted e-mail solution for schools and enterprise businesses like RedHat and 21st Century Realty Group.

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Zimbra Desktop gives Yahoo Mail offline access

Thursday, July 24th, 2008

Any of the 263 million Yahoo Mail users who were antsy for change now have something they can sink their teeth into.

The first real fruits of Yahoo’s $350 million acquisition of Zimbra are becoming apparent with the release Thursday of the Yahoo Zimbra Desktop. The e-mail software, available as a free download, works when the user is offline, and it offers options for basic online word processing and spreadsheets, task management, and file storage.

Zimbra Desktop means that Yahoo beat out Google in the race to provide e-mail that also works offline, but it took a different approach to get there. Google looks to be adding offline access through the open-source Gears project, a plug-in that augments a Web browser’s abilities.

But Zimbra Desktop, while using browser interface technology called Ajax that can give Web browsers an elaborate interface, actually runs as a standalone application. It employs Java software to store data locally, and it’s a hefty download–38MB for Windows, 34MB for Mac OS X, and 44MB for Linux.

Yahoo has formed a new group focusing on cloud computing, in which services available on the Internet substitute for local applications. But until the day when a reliable, fast Internet connection is available anywhere, offline access to applications is a significant feature.

Webmail is a compelling facet of cloud computing, letting people reach their e-mail from any number of computers or mobile devices. But from a user’s point of view, Zimbra Desktop’s approach–a downloadable application that doesn’t run in a browser–is actually more like traditional e-mail client software such as Microsoft Outlook or Mozilla Thunderbird.

After many months of quiet integration, Zimbra’s ascent within Yahoo has been apparent. As part of a major reorganization in June, Zimbra leader Scott Dietzen was named to run all of Yahoo’s messaging and communication work.

The software can be used to connect to Yahoo Mail and also to other accounts such as AOL or Gmail that support remote access via POP (Post Office Protocol) or the newer IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol).

I had no trouble installing, configuring, and running Zimbra Desktop to send and receive e-mail. As with Yahoo’s Webmail interface, it mirrors Microsoft Outlook’s look and keyboard shortcuts.

However, it’s not perfect. It didn’t seem connected to my Yahoo address book for contacts or calendar for events.

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